Carter ([info]cm1165) wrote,
@ 2005-11-28 23:55:00
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Entry tags:crooks, health care, just deserts, nationalization, politics, progressive

Today was a good day
So it seems, at least according to this, that there might still be some justice in the world.

I try not to be absolutely delighted that he is a Conservative Republican, but it is hard not to let that add a little to my joy. No matter what party he is, he is a crook that stole from the American people and the American Worker, and no matter who he is and what party, crooks deserve all that come to them. But like I said the fact that he is a Conservative Republican gives me a little extra warm and fuzzy.

I had an interesting conversation with a girl from my ethics class today. After class I took her to Wendy's, mainly because she is with out a car and has no way to get around. Not to mention she is one of the few people that I have ever met that is polite enough to let rant, and at least appears interested.

Anyway, as per the usual, we got started talking about politics. I know from the past that she calls herself a "moderate" if only because she doesn't know what else to call her self. But one thing lead to another and we ended up talking essentially about the nationalization of things like health care and other things that have no business to be privatized in the first place. I mean of all things not to be privatized, it seems to me that Health Care should be one of those. I am not saying that Doctors and Nurses and Aids don't deserve fair and just compensation, but the profit margins for the corporations involved in the industry can and should be cut out. Right now you have insurance companies, hospitals, clinics, big pharma, etc all get a cut when you go to see the doctor. Then, when he/she shoves you out the door with poor care because of the regulations of your hmo, you sue the doctor instead of the bastard hmo that screwed you in the first place. I don't think that I know a soul in the health care field currently or that was connected with health care that thinks that the system works.

The arguments that you always here from opponents when you speak of any Nationalization of any industry, whether it is health care, pensions, or oil/energy sector (which I am a big fan of), is that it will "hurt" the economy. Well the first question is whose economy? For far too long we have been slaves to the "Dow Jones" and the bastards on Wall Street. We are told that the economy is great, while factories close, workers are laid off, and The People generally suffer. There is something twisted here, and RFK knew it, but that my god what a tangent this has become.

The point is that there is no good proof that the economy would suffer. In fact Europe can be pointed to as an example of the potential for the success of a more Socialized society. Here you have countries that are significantly smaller than the US and still able to compete on an International stage. And Argentina would be a classic example of where me might be headed if we eat the bitter pill that Bush and Co. want to force feed us. In the early 80's it had a relatively strong economy for the region, but its leadership listened to Reagan and his "supply-side" wonks and by 2000 the economy collapsed. It is now only being built back through the blood, sweat and tears of its workers, who are forming collectives to help solve some of their hardships, and it seems to be working. And we all wondered why there was so much "trouble" when Gee Dub came to town, and why there are so many opposed to US lead economic policy. They tried it once and got fried.

And in a way this leads us all the way back to "Duke." In all truth he was not all that unique. He got was so blatant that it was inevitable that he get caught, but I truly believe the majority of the bums up there are crooks as well. But how are we supposed to be represented when they are taking graft and kickbacks (let use the words that are accurate here)? Bill First would never let a vote come to the table on health care because he and his family would loose money. Same with a myriad of other things. We like to complain about the "social" debate and "social issues, " bu the truth is that is all they have left to talk about and debate in an honest way...even writing that word makes me laugh...Yeah no one cared about Terri, but the truth is what else were they going to vote on? There was nothing left them by their corporate backers.

Until all of the guilty ones stand before a judge of the People and declare themselves Crooks and Liars and we throw the bums out...we will be in for a bumpy ride.




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(Anonymous)
2005-11-30 01:28 am UTC (link)
You are leaving us hanging, Carter. You introduce this girl to us, let us go with you to Wendy's, start a conversation, and then don't give us her end of it.

As for nationalized health care, our medical family is all for it. Jim is a primary care doctor, trying to work in the current system where insurance companies and government adjustors (armed with high school educations and formularies) decide whether the care he provides is warranted enough to justify payment. Medicine is a hierarchal system just like everything else, and in this case it's the bureaucrats in the HMOs that are skimming all the real profits. This drives up costs, without doing a thing to enhance health care.

Another debatable bonus is that US corporations would be more globally competitive if they, along with European and Asian manufacturers, did not have to pay for health care. But I doubt seriously savings would be passed to workers and consumers in that case.
Lenore

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[info]cm1165
2005-11-30 02:00 am UTC (link)
Yes I guess I did leave everyone hanging. The continuation is that she is a poor single mom on Medicaid. After listening to me rage (I have that tendency) she agreed that all should be entitled to health care, although she was not sure of the system.

But like all things that is something that think we can have an open and honest debate about. Lets talk about solutions instead of saying "oh the system is damaged, but it is the system that we have."

I agree about the corporations being more competitive, but more than that I think that the small business-person would benefit the most. Employees not having to call in sick, not having to pay for health care or contribute to "health-savings plans." It would make them not only more competitive with foreign firms, but also the large trans-national that just moved in down the street.

CM

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